Разговор о «суверенной» политике и критика зависимости от союзников

good to see you jank good to see you talk i haven't seen you since we had a debate years ago i think um at politicon totally different world but i was thinking this morning as i was driving in i'm like hmm of all the things you could do to infuriate your audience this is probably at top of the list like you don't need to do this why are you doing this yeah so there's a couple reasons why number one i want to take yes for an answer uh you're anti-war uh we've been anti-war for 20 years so i have not been so bless you for that thank you brother and welcome thank you and so that's amazing that's important um and i also want to break down the barriers of republicans versus democrats right wing versus left wing i think that it's kind of used to divide us uh and i think that the powerful have already have an incredible elite team they're very very organized and they do through uh donations uh to the politicians etc but the american people are not organized and we have built two teams but those two teams the republicans and the democrats have been trained to fight each other instead of fighting up right exactly and so when you split the population that way you take away all of their energy because you have their them use their energy against one another rather than against you it's actually brilliant it's how the british ruled india exactly right yes and it's done on a meta level in every way also by the way on a global level christians versus muslims two billion here two billion there make sure you guys are fighting one another and hey look at that we've used up all your energy fighting one another and not looking up i've noticed yeah okay so and then of course the third issue is israel and so that's what i want to talk to you a lot about today i hope uh and i think that that's an animating issue for a number of reasons not because it's the end all be all uh but because it is deeply symbolic um and so whether it's big pharma or big oil or apac uh they are buying our politicians and so you're a rare person saying that uh i'm a person saying that and uh and they mainstream media works against us and they try to shut us up and say don't tell anybody about money in politics yes no no these politicians are honest and honorable people having debates they're not having any debates they're cashing checks and so i want all of america to know that and and at the end of the day tucker if we don't unite as americans uh the powerful are going to rule us forever i think that's exactly that is absolutely true so let's just start with motive i hate going to motive because it's like we don't even know our own motives a lot of the time right motive is very hard to determine but when this topic comes up people go immediately to motive you're taking money from somebody a foreign power okay you're a secret you've got some secret religious affiliation um you're filled with hate it's all about why you have these views rather than addressing the views themselves i've just noticed this having lived it and so i just want to ask you about israel specifically how did you come to this and what are your motives yeah so uh it's a difficult for me one for me because i have i grew up in a town that was about 50 jewish so i have tons of jewish friends i have jewish family i have a nephew and niece who are jewish yeah and so um i don't want to make people uncomfortable and and i don't want this to be about the jews that's crazy and what i tell people all the time is hey listen i like my friend dave my friend jack musad never called them and asked permission right netanyahu was never like hey should we take 53 percent of guys what do you think dave right so that that's not how it works so if you're so i i anyone who's got that intent i'm not interested in okay you're not going to have me as an ally it's not going to work out i have jewish family i have jewish friends i'll never sell them out okay so and the other thing about jewish americans is they're americans and we're i believe in a united america okay so you're for america i love you and i protect you i'll give you one last example although i can give you thousands right but dave smith dave smith is an amazing ally of ours wonderful man yeah i agree so if you come for dave you come for all of us he's one of us okay we protect our own americans right okay so now why do i have an issue with israel then even though i would actually naturally want to ally with israel yes into all the jewish friends and family that i have right um and i didn't know a lot of palestinians growing up i only knew one palestinian we had one in our high school we had hundreds of jewish folks who loved israel etc right the problem with israel isn't just the genocide that they just committed but that would be enough that is a horrific injustice in gaza in gaza i mean you've got it well over 70 000 dead you've got god knows how many thousands buried in the rubble and they're adding to the count every day you've got 10 percent of the entire population that was either killed or injured which is a stunning number that's why almost all every genocide scholar says it's obviously a genocide right 10 of the entire population yes either killed or injured okay that'd be over 200 000 yes that's right because the amount injured are well over 130 000 okay but just to be clear on that like that's a number that we should know i think since we paid for it and i think it's so important to know what death tolls and and the injury count is because you did this and you have to know what the consequences are i think it's totally fair we don't know in the russia ukraine war we have no idea and we have no idea in gaza and i so i just want to say that there are estimates that it's over half a million i don't know if that's true or not but that's the point we should know that yeah we have a right to know that so tucker that's going to go to points two and three uh which sorry i could just erupted with him he started erupting no no not at all not at all but i i want to come back to that because two and three are super important because it's it's symbolic of the power that all the donor class has not just israel but also with israel you have gaslighting that is extreme uh where where you don't have that in any other can you explain what that is so uh you'll say hey uh i don't think we should give israel another 30 billion dollars or another 100 billion i want to get into all these numbers in a second right and they'll say anti-semit now so wait a minute that doesn't make any sense like you we could mad lib this right you take any israeli talking point and put in a different country and it sounds absurd right yeah like you owe thailand 300 billion dollars people will be like well no we don't anti-thai racist right you're like what i don't even know any thai people what are you talking about you're an anti-thaiist right i'm no i'm not right why do you hate thailand exactly but that's see but you're obsessed with thailand that's my favorite you're obsessed with thailand okay well i by the way i would be obsessed with thailand if thailand took 300 billion dollars off of us right and if thailand was like you have to attack everyone else in southeast asia you know we have a thai christian heritage yeah and imagine if india did that and they're like we have a hindu christian heritage and that's why you need to attack pakistan yeah and by the way if you're not for attacking pakistan you're clearly being paid by bhutan yeah yeah of course people who are getting who are working for a foreign government accusing you who just want to stay out of it of working for a foreign government is that what gaslighting is yeah gaslighting is when the media uh says take something very reasonable you're saying and makes it sound like it's crazy like so we say we gave them 21.7 billion dollars in the middle of a genocide okay so that's on top of the 300 billion right and that's by the way 10 to 12 billion we spent bombing iran yemen and almost all their enemies in the same period of time we just gave them another 8.6 billion and another 3.3 billion that happened in the last two weeks so when you say let's just take one sliver of that hey i didn't want to pay for a genocide i didn't want to do that right whether it was the thai the bulgarians the israelis i just i don't want to kill 20 000 children i don't want you to spend my money killing 20 000 children i don't care what race or religion they are why are you so hateful exactly and that's literally what they say i'm against killing kids they didn't do anything actually yeah and they say so you hate jews that's gaslighting right okay right that's so wait oh i live in that country yeah i know what that is yeah so i'm the one trying to stop the killing i'm for non-violence in fact i'm religiously for non-violence if i have any religion at all it's non-violence my hero is martin luther king and gandhi and mandela and so i say do not do any violence to anyone it would be in fact if someone is doing what is there against us right and i say i and don't and you just heard me say it i say it a thousand times i love jewish people this is not about the jews so but this country wants us to pay for a genocide i just don't want to pay for a genocide they listen to all that and they go now everybody understand that jake you is an anti-semit who hates jews and is like an immoral person and if you're not pro-genocide you're anti-jewish no no no don't say that don't say that because you're actually going to get my jewish friends hurt when you say you're anti-genocide means you're anti-jewish that equates judaism with genocide don't don't i don't know anything that drives up anti-semitism more than that but but back to the original injustice and then we'll get back to more and more gaslighting because the gaslighting is another perfect symbol of what mainstream media does and establishment media does right yes they gaslight on almost every issue so real quick one more like big pharma we can't negotiate drug prices they're like that's pro-free markets no negotiation wait it's capitalism not being able to negotiate prices is the exact opposite of the free markets everything on television is a lie it's all an illusion that's very funny i've never really thought about it like that but that is so true i mean why are we not rebelling against the biggest socialist or communist program in american history that we're not allowed to negotiate drug prices what kind of absurdity is that and we're the only country on earth that that that applies to so it's just they they're they're like magicians establishment media sienna and msnbc fox new york times they're like look here look here meanwhile the ash is going on here so the new year is here but that does not mean you've got to overhaul your whole life despite claims the contrary you don't have to take drastic measures make a few changes here and there and you'll be a 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nationwide at your local sprout supermarket stop by and pick up a couple of bags before somebody else does well the original argument as i remember i was never involved in this but i was in you know libertarian adjacent world a lot of my life and so i remember hearing that argument and i remember thinking yeah what what is that and they were like no no if you are allowed to negotiate drug prices you will kill pharma innovation in the united states and we lead the world in innovation i'm like okay i guess i didn't realize that a lot of pharma is just poison anyway this is before the sacklers you know killed a lot of people in apalacia and i was like okay but then you watch pharma offshore like they offshored like new jersey you grew up in new jersey was a pharma stronghold you know basking ridge that whole area is filled with pharma companies are making the drugs that they are not anymore we don't make antibiotics we don't make vitamin c we don't make all these drugs because they offshored them so we protected them from fair competition by eliminating negotiation and they left anyway so like what what's the upside here i gave you a thousand examples uh we gave the semiconductor industry 50 some odd billion dollars under biden that was the chips act and all the democrats are like he's fdr 2.0 i'm like guys that's a 50 billion dollar corporate subsidy okay and did we put any guardrails in so did we say hey intel here's at least eight of the 50 billion going straight to you i think it might have been 12 in that ballpark so now as condition to that you're supposed to build here in america so you can't fire any americans if you fire any americans then obviously we're not going to give you the money because the ostensible reason for us giving you the money is to build a semiconductor industry here in america exactly right intel fired 8 000 people right after the bill passed because there's no guardrails because why americans 8 000 americans of course immediately they fired him immediately it's a joke the whole thing's a joke that none of the politicians mean it and the people that allow them to get away with all of this so so all that is the robbery right mainstream media is the getaway car okay so they come in and they make excuses oh fdr 2.0 it's brilliant to give away your money to the semiconductor industry it's brilliant to give it away to big farma and israel and if anybody objects their conspiracy theorists and anti-semites etc their job is not to cover the news it's to cover up the news so i mean again look at that is literally true yeah so obama ran a campaign call a campaign ad called billy back in 2008 and it was about the deal to not negotiate drug prices it was outrageous everyone hated it a democrat named billy tausen had negotiated it in congress that's why the ad was called billy and obama was saying i'm not going to be like those democrats right yeah he got in said we're not negotiating drug prices trump said we're going to negotiate drug prices not going to negotiate drugs so i knew billy tausen really well uh wonderful guy from shack bay louisiana um just a really charming guy used to hunt with him a lot and um i always loved him still do but he went from congress to what do you know his next job was lobbyist head of uh big pharma exactly he was the head pharma lobbyist and that's my point ducker not attacking him but that that happened i was there yeah like what so mainstream media looks at that and goes no i don't see it i don't i don't big pharma gives more like four times more than the israeli lobby does and they're like no i don't see it i'm like isn't the adage follow the money like so here is an industry giving billions of dollars to politicians that's a lot of money oh yeah five thousand at a time right and into super PACs etc they seem like they're bribing almost all of congress nope nope conspiracy theory i had a um because they're bribing all the media too with drug of course that's their number one advertisers or drug companies number two advertisers by the way are politicians why do they always say that politicians are honest and they're having real debates because politicians are actually their top clients so when you spend 17 billion dollars in money in politics where does it go it goes almost all to establishment media to buy ads so the republican party and the democratic party are the best clients that cnn new york times have so they are always talking about how great the republican and democratic parties are how terrible primaries are primaries use up that money we didn't get all those bribes to send it spend it in a primary we we got it to have a fake fight in the general election where you have you paid the lesser of two evils haha we got you so that's uh you can that's the rosetta stone money in politics once you see that you see how politics works and you also see how media works which then leads us back to israel so we say guys it they have contributed guardian did a piece on this the israeli lobby has contributed to 94 of congress okay first do you think they did that for their health for the general welfare or do you think that every group they have is named after israel because the whole point is to support israel right that's not a complicated question it's the american israeli political action committee it's got israel one of the groups is called democratic majority for israel they ran four million dollars worth of ads against nina turner which is one of bernie sanders campaign shares uh to make sure that she was defeated by chantel brown chantel brown was one of 11 people running against nina turner had almost no ratings at all nina had a 35 point lead she was running against the lilliputians chantel brown puts a statement on her website saying how much she loves israel boom four million dollars appears all in favor of chantel brown all against nina turner that's her raising her hand saying i will work for israel and what happened in the end they erased a 35 point lead they bought every ad in cleveland and most importantly they got mainstream media to say now remember nina turner hates joe biden so she loves donald trump now that's cleveland voters they don't want that right now is that true no she has said a statement that voting for biden is like eating a half bowl of shit but okay but she said but voting for trump is like eating a full bowl of shit so what am i gonna do i'll eat the half right she they never ever put the second half of the statement in they just said in every news story whether it's on tv or in the newspapers nina turner says voting for biden is eating a half bowl of shit she's so a trump favorite but how could she be pro-trump the rest of the sentence says he's twice as bad so people in mainstream media are giant liars they've lied about me all the time they lie about republicans democrats but mainly they lie to protect the donor class so then again back to israel and because it's such a perfect symbol 94 percent of congress it's not 34 percent you had 34 percent you can say yeah they have a lot of control that's a lot of money that they're giving to a third of our congress that's 64 percent you'd say come on they have enormous power if not control and 94 percent it's clearly control further uh story part of that guardian story is 82 percent of congress votes basically with israel every single time that 82 percent on average gets 100 just in that last election second let alone all the other ones 125 000 per member of congress now establishment media says that's not a bribe they're just talking to one another oh hey how you doing here's 125 000 so you'll vote for israel but it's not for so you'll vote for israel it's so you can have a better debate or whatever and and they're like of course that's not a bribe and they don't control those members well how come they vote with israel every single time why don't you follow the money i thought the old adage of journalism was follow the money and every time we ask you to follow the money you call us an anti-semite that's really really weird that's a super weird thing to do again madlib fill in any other country imagine that bulgaria was giving to 94 percent of congress or great britain or sweden or any kind doesn't matter it doesn't matter and you said well it seems like the bulgarians are have 94 percent of our congress locked up how dare you anti-bulgarian racist you bulgarist right it would be absurd it would be absurd so of course you have to point this out so and what have they gotten in return for the hundreds of millions that apac and other israeli lobby organizations have put into congress at this point they've probably put in over a billion dollars collectively over all those years so well what they've gotten back is over 300 billion dollars in funding uh through the lifetime of israel adjusted for inflation that's before october 7th october 7th we add that 21.7 you could argue 10 or 12 billion more for the wars we're fighting for them those are not free every time we drop a bomb on iran or yemen or nigeria it costs us money or iraq or iraq that's why we did that yeah but look if you get into that the global war on terror which is if we're being honest the global war against israel's enemies cost us eight trillion dollars right so israel's lucky if we don't count that eight trillion it's why we're bankrupt yeah yeah i mean here we are 38 trillion and tucker that's the other amazing part so now in the last two weeks they give an trump gave another 8.6 billion totally unaccounted where's that 8.6 billion coming from did anybody ever vote for that 8.6 billion and then unabated he gave another 3.3 billion where is this money coming from is anybody voting on this what is going on well it's it's these are ious to countries that are buying our treasuries exactly so that's the next layer of it so you're telling us we have to borrow money from china and japan so we can give money for free to israel and then we pay the interest for the rest of our lives and they don't pay any interest well why don't they borrow it from china and japan exactly why are we borrowing it and give it to them we're excited to tell you about a new project from amazon mgm called melania for years the people in charge have tried to tell you who she is but they didn't show you who she is now you can see for yourself every protocol every precaution every single move particularly coordinated this new film takes you inside the 20 days leading up to the 2025 presidential inauguration and it does it to the eyes of the first lady melania trump the briefings the plannings the private conversations witness what it takes to get there to become first lady of the united states mark your calendars melania premieres in theaters january 30th and but can i ask you a question that really bothers me why don't people who support israel or any foreign cause pay for the cause themselves like there are a lot of very rich people i know some i like some who are you know profoundly pro-israel and really think about it a lot care about it a lot have friends and family they're great why don't they and some of these people are worth billions and billions and billions why don't they why do taxpayers have to pay for this why don't they just donate the money to israel i'd never have understood that and no one will answer that question because of leverage and economies of scale so let's take larry ellison as an example so to be fair to larry ellison the founder of oracle he actually did the thing that you say he gave 16 million dollars to the idf in the middle of the genocide as a donation how about five billion i mean that's 16 million dollars for it's not much actually yeah so i'm gonna get back yeah so he's like hey genocide well done keep genociding here's 16 million more it's a really it's an outrageous thing to do but okay you love israel you love that they're committing a genocide against palestinians you despise palestinians you're deeply racist and you you're bigot against muslims that's your business larry ellison okay so but now he thinks wait a minute what if i give to american politicians and then instead of me giving the five billion or the 50 billion we get the sucker american taxpayers to give it right so now how can i do that it's actually simple it's so dishonorable that i can i can't really even fit that in my head to to folks i don't force other people to pay for charities i support i mean i support them because i support them i mean that's what integrity is i can't imagine sticking a gun in someone's face and say you have to donate to my charity yeah so and in this case it's not a charity it's a no but a cause that you believe in yeah you know okay so then uh drop site news has done some terrific reporting and they found uh emails of a hood barak the former prime minister of israel and and others can i say drop drop site news has done some amazing reporting yeah fantastic it's unbelievable and in fact the way that established media is not covering their stories shows you what a joke it is drop site news breaks more store i didn't really wasn't really sure what it was until recently they're breaking more stories in the new york times washington post put together by far yeah it's not an accident uh that's because they're trying to break stories yes they are times is trying to do the opposite and yeah epstein stories are amazing and we should get back they're unbelievable i'm sorry to interrupt yeah i just wanted to say that no no absolutely so drop site news found the uh emails of larry ellison talking to the israeli ambassador and he says this is back in 2016 um 2015 2016 that campaign and he says i'm going to go vet marco rubio for israel now remember larry ellison's ostensibly an american okay but he doesn't he's talking to the israeli ambassador and says i'm going to make sure marco rubio is on israel's side then he goes and talks to him at a party he comes back and then reports back to the israeli ambassador don't worry he's on our side i'm giving him five million for his super pack by the way at that time that's against donald trump okay so that's larry ellison saying i'm basically buying marco rubio on behalf of israel so that doesn't even go to marco rubio's apac tracker on an apac tracker he's over a million dollars from the israeli lobby but they've got all this secret money in their super packs and the all other things that they have and in that case he's caught because we have his emails so don't tell me he's not working for the israelis when we have emails showing he works for the israelis and then what is the consequence of that hey look at that marco rubio secretary of state and now we're going to war against iran maybe venezuela we're doing everything that israel wants and so that's a nice break they caught what a coincidence and by the way this is not a partisan issue you had obama's former speechwriter go out the other day and say we probably over taught the holocaust to our kids okay this woman i think sarah herwitz but if i've got the name that's right yeah uh so that's off top my head of of who she is but she obama speechwriter and she says we should we we taught them the nazis were strong and oppressed the weak but now israel is strong and and targeting the weak so we shouldn't teach that anymore i'm like do you hear yourself do you hear what you're saying and then at free press somebody wrote an article about oh our kids they they're against genocide now what did we do wrong you didn't do anything wrong you told him a wonderful thing you told him you taught him jewish culture never again stick up for the underdog question authority can't murder innocence i mean that is that's like a baseline you can't murder people who didn't do anything wrong because it is murder there's no justification for killing innocent people ever so if you think about it let's just take the marco rubio example and i'm not putting it all on rubio it's a giant institution and infrastructure and like i said it's 94 of congress right but you put in 5 million to marco rubio a decade later he's secretary of state and in the middle of your genocide you got 21.7 billion dollars now if you're larry ellison do you want to put in the 21 billion yourself or do you want to put in 5 million to a politician and then you get the 21 billion for free the problem is that it it treats the people who are giving the money against their will there's never been a vote on this it would if there was a national referendum on should we be sending tens of billions of dollars to a country uh not our own of course it would it would fail immediately but it treats those people um very badly it's kind of subhuman like who cares what they think we're just going to take their money in debt their children unto the generations and it's just the contempt that that displays for americans this is unsettling to me so i have a proposal on that uh ducker so why don't we do a poll and i challenge sienna new york times gallup anyone to do this poll and if none of them accept the challenge then we'll do the poll we'll commission the poll and then we'll see and then they could verify it if they like and the poll is does america owe israel any more money because every pundit on television say we owe israel we owe israel i did they never explain why right you all really say that all the time they say okay what do you mean 300 billion you owed israel of course you should pay him 300 why why do i pay them 21 or 31 billion in the middle of a genocide you owe israel why do i owe israel no one ever explains no one ever explains actually i've never heard that they actually say that out loud we owe them of course of course for what where's the debt from yeah and so so and when i press i press on every one of these talking points that's part of why they despise me right and i say okay help me understand that why why why would we owe israel well they suffered a holocaust uh the jewish people well first of all the jewish people they're not israel right that's different okay but wait we rescued them from the holocaust and all those americans died a lot of them hundreds of thousands of americans died fighting that war if we rescued them from the holocaust why do we owe them money it's like none of these talking points make any sense if you all you do is you know just prick the bubble and people instantly go oh wait a minute lift the curtain so here we rescue they'll actually say that yeah so the bosnians right for example right we rescued them from a genocide from the serbs right and i'm proud of that i think we did uh you know we were saved tons and tons of lives and you can say maybe we shouldn't have interfered maybe we should be more isolationist it's a good debate but at least we did something demonstrably good there okay did the bosnians after we rescued them from the genocide coming to say to us you owe us no they said thank you you by the way you won't find anyone on this planet who loves americans more than bosnia's okay and so they love america they appreciate america poland lost five million people in the holocaust 1.8 million non-jews three million jews so after the holocaust poland could have said you owe us no we saved poland russia saved poland we saved jews russia saved jews by the way did russia ever get a thank you after losing what 20 million or so people in the war right instead now israel's constantly attacking russia i got no love for russia i think putin is wrong i don't i don't think he should have invaded ukraine but wait a minute why does anybody owe israel for anything it doesn't make any sense at all no it doesn't okay so now they want a new memorandum of understanding they were going to try to make it 20 years and partly because of you and us and all the people that are going wait why that a memorandum of understanding is a president saying we owe you for the next 10 years 20 years etc and that's a that's an agreement between the united states and israel yes so for example obama signed a 10-year memorandum of understanding saying we owe israel 3.8 billion every year for 10 years so no votes on it during that period the only votes you get is it gets put automatically into the budget every year and once it gets put in you have to actively take it out but if you have to go to take it out they'll call you an anti-semite and try to ruin your career i have amazing stories about that um marie newman a u.s congresswoman uh voted against one of the appropriations that israel got four democratic colleagues come on the floor of the house and say how dare you you you how dare you vote against israel we're going to take away all your money actually that yes you could ask marina when she said it on the young turks this happened just a couple of years ago okay she was in congress from illinois they said we're going to take away all your money and we're going to spend a ton of money against you her own party yeah her own part and that's what happened they spent about four million against her eliminated uh no way and 11 uh jewish american congressman from michigan kind of a legendary jewish family in michigan yeah carl levin was a senator yeah sandra levin yeah yeah andy levin says two-state solution says i love israel i'm a zionist okay but obviously we should have a free and independent israel and a free and independent palestine four million against andy levin eliminated no way eliminated jamal bowman you think it was about about the fire alarm hey you might be upset about the fire alarm or whatever else jamal bowman did they spent the israeli lobby spent 19 million eliminating jamal bowman cory bush eliminated okay anyone who opposes israel is eliminated this year marks the 250th anniversary of our country and it's a great time to think about what makes america strong companies that make their products here play a 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the rest i didn't so i wonder about that strategy which they're now employing on the right and trying to tarp you know slandering people as nazis or trying to get them killed um which they're doing uh but i wonder like as a strategy obviously it's immoral but does it actually work isn't it better to say as you would in any negotiation like here are the things i actually care about let's see if we can come to terms like allow a little bit of flexibility there's no flexibility allowed well tucker congrats you uh have forced israel into some flexibility almost single-handedly i don't feel that at all i feel that um because i've never been against israel and i'm not against israel now i'm not against any person actually and i'm certainly as a christian totally opposed to hating a group based on its blood that would include whites blacks hispanics turks and jews and i mean that so whatever i've really tried to be like whoa whoa let's settle this down it doesn't work and i just wonder that doesn't seem like a good strategy i guess that's what i'm saying like just as a negotiating position it's like you have to have some willingness to move you can't be that rigid or you're not going to win in the end yeah so the reason i said that is because look first let's distinguish there's mainstream media purposely blends all these things together uh partly because israel wants to use jewish americans as human shields they want to say if you're attacking us you're attacking jewish americans and so you're not allowed to you're not allowed to right but in reality there's jews as people slash jewish americans then there's how you feel about israel then there's how you feel about the israeli government right we are talking about the current israeli government and they said no you're talking about jews because they want to hide behind that right when we keep saying no not the jews and they're like no the jews the jews like stop saying the jews it's not the jews moreover i get to define what i think and what i'm talking about and let me repeat myself i think anti-semitism is immoral and i won't engage in it ever period so i get to decide because i'm a sovereign man what i think and i can try to express it as well as i can you no one has a right to tell you what you think yeah it's it's it's really obnoxious to what's orwellian it's like are you in charge of my soul yeah i don't think you are so for example i'm an atheist so what does that mean that means i think all humans are pretty much the same genetically right that's i'm stone cold uh so if you told me a jewish a muslim a christian a hindu is different i'm philosophically opposed to that i'm ideologically opposed to that i'm scientifically opposed to that i just think it's wrong it's not it's incorrect factually incorrect so that is a distraction and a and they've now weaponized the term anti-semitism which also does a lot of damage because when real anti-semitism comes people will think oh those are the heroes fighting against the genocide right that's what i was told it also scares people i mean i've experienced this a lot in my personal life where people i know and love have been convinced that i'm you know nazi or nazi adjacent or hate jews or whatever and that i'm trying to hurt people which is literally the opposite of what i would ever do want to do i don't agree with that at all and i say that constantly but they've whipped people into a frenzy preying upon their deepest fears and there are many victims of that kind of evil but one of the victims is the people who are being terrified like people are terrified i think actually the number one um target of israeli propaganda is jewish americans oh of course they say oh if it's not for israel the whole world hates you and you're all going to die you're all going to die everyone hates you and it's not reasonable it's a hate that can't be even reasoned with or discussed you don't have to know anything about why people disagree it's hate it's fundamentally irrational and it will never end and until they kill you or you kill them it's like whoa that is a very heavy thing first of all it's untrue second you're inspiring violence by talking like that i mean the only end point of that kind of thinking is violence it can only be solved by violence but killer be killed that's what they're saying yeah and so again mad libit say okay let's say that you oppose something the turkish government did which i hope you do because they've done a plenty of bad things i oppose a bunch of things that the turkish government has done if after i just don't like turks that's my problem but i mean that's the point right if if you said hey you know i don't think the turks should have gone into northern syria and i say anti-turkish racist you'd be like what what kind of lunatic are you right that's not a thing that doesn't just because you disagree with the actions of a government at this time doesn't mean that you hate turks in perpetuity forever and ever you hated them before you hate them afterwards no i just don't agree look i didn't agree with the iraq war does that mean i hate americans no it means i don't agree with that government action taken at that time it's and all of that is very logical until you get to israel and then they flip it on its head but can you see how irrational and fear-based the conversation is becoming and the cost to american society not even having anything to do with israel but just that way of thinking is a scary way of thinking first of all its identity politics in its purest form you know this group versus that group this group has special rights this group has fewer rights i mean this is everything that i hate and i disagree with as a christian but can you see the cost to the whole society because of this enormous cost so you know making people hate each other yeah look i'll go back to the stats on how awful the genocide was and all of that but to me at least as bad is the control over this country okay and i came here to be free and i came here for american sovereignty how old were you when you came eight years old my family came here uh because my dad is an enormous believer in america like yes you won't find a family who loves america more than we do right yes and by the way he had that belief in faith and it was met we came here and that faith was true that hope was delivered and we have lived amazing lives in this country because of the opportunity and the hope that this country provided yeah and by the way our answer to that is thank you amen i feel that way i feel grateful yeah i'm enormously grateful to america yeah and by the way when america helps you the correct answer is thank you not you owe me okay give me more that's not the correct answer right and it's not taken as a correct answer from any other country but when it comes to israel and they say no give me more right we're supposed to say oh thank you sir no i don't want to say thank you have children how would you respond to your children if they said that to you oh that would be a mistake for them yes oh you can't and there would be consequences yeah you can't put up with that not for one second you degrade yourself you hurt the person you're dealing with because you inspire more of that behavior which is totally bad behavior yeah it's so unhealthy i mean how could we get how do we get into this yeah let me let me give you two examples about how they are taking our freedom away okay so a friend of mine runs a company in la uh he gets an email from what looks like probably a bot but it could be an israeli troll whatever it is but some buddy writing in saying we found out that one of your american workers is an anti-semite and you should fire her he's like really oh i didn't know that what did she do did she attack someone did she say something outrageous and he finds out that she had put up a palestinian flag during the genocide in support of like hey i'm against the genocide these poor people on our facebook account that's it nothing against is you're allowed to have that view you can support the palestinians you can support hamas you can support whatever you want as an american but she's not supporting hamas she's i get it but like let's just remind ourselves that we have a full range of intellectual freedom because of the first amendment and because god gave us those rights not any administration so like you cannot allow infringement on those rights she doesn't even say anything against israel let alone jews she just says you know just has the palestinian flag they're like that's just an average american it's not tucker carlson it's not jane huger when she doesn't have a show she's a random american now all of a sudden the israelis are emailing your boss and saying if they dare even support the palestinians treat them as humans they're anti-semites and they should be fired no no that's oppression that's oppression and it's against the average american i can't stand it okay so you and i get it is oppression yeah non-stop but i get it we're in the media we're in wars right these information wars these media wars etc but leave average americans out of it and they won't and they won't tolerate it they won't tolerate any dissent any dissent at all what is that because they so you know why tucker it's worked for them so now that gets leads to the second example barry weiss right so barry weiss claims she's like remember when she was at the new york times she's fighting against cancel culture our college campus had been taken over by cancel culture she promoted cancel culture when she was on the campus of her college columbia when she pushed for anyone who was against israel to be silenced i mean she's always been for cancel culture exactly so she actually started her career as a student who went around saying i'm proudly zionist and i'm going to try to take out arab arab and muslim professors who don't toe the line for israel so she got famous doing cancel culture on college campus oh i remember very well then she pretends in the middle of her career that she's against cancel culture specifically on college campuses i mean the lie is so brazen right and then she goes to free press and then starts cancel culture again on college campuses they spoke out against israel they should be fired they should be arrested oh yeah it's wait wait wait wait i'm a dangerous nazi you're talking about arresting americans for disagreeing with another government with another country i mean if you're not bothered by that then you're you're you have a servant mindset right yes these folks obviously have 94 of congress they obviously pro-israel factions have almost all of established media we can come back to why okay and i'm okay with it i will serve them well i'm not okay with it i i don't want to bow i love that america's free we came for that freedom and that freedom is delivered for us but i don't want to give it away i don't want to give it away to anyone if i wanted to give away my freedom i would have stayed in the middle east yeah okay i came here for the promise of america our family did so and and you know among among muslim americans there is no group i was born muslim i'm atheist now okay so i at 22 i went through the religions it wasn't for me okay but am i going to defend my family and my background sure i am of course right but ideologically i'm atheist so um i had we this country had room for me and this country didn't ask are you muslim are you atheist are you this are you that it just it gave me the same rights as anyone else and i love that and i'm i'm pretty sure i mean erdogan's taking away democracy in turkey in my opinion yes and he's done some good foreign policy but his his domestic policy i'm i'm a guest okay if i stayed in turkey i would almost certainly be in prison at this point right and here i'm not in prison no and if you turn america into an occupied nation that's not what we came for that's not what i mean that is against the core of what america is and if they're paying 94 of congress we're occupied yes we are well and it's it's not just israel we're occupied by big pharma and big oil and defense contractors but all those politicians represent those people and not us i would love that my driving goal is regain american sovereignty and when i go to talk to muslim groups a they say look now all of a sudden they're very open in the right way why are they open in the right wing because you candace and megan and others are saying hey maybe we got fed a lot of propaganda to hate muslims because they happen to be israel's enemies well of course and so maybe all that media about how they're all they're terrorists terrorists and you look at it and go wait and we were taught by books that robert maxwell bought uh that um israel was attacked in 1948 israel was attacked in 1967 israel is always the victim victim victim and then you look you go wait a minute 1967 israel attacked i was lied to no israel attacked all of its neighbors and destroyed their military their air forces before they even got up off the ground right and they call that a preemptive strike so that became the new self-defense is offense and what did we do in iraq preemptive strike we went into iraq and they could have weapons of mass destruction by the way where did we get that false intelligence israel at the time ariel sharon was saying iraq is is israel's number one enemy iraq at the time by the way hated al-qaeda al-qaeda attacked us of course it was a bathist government it was secular they had tons of christians in the government yeah not only that al-qaeda constantly attacked the local rulers so saddam ever caught al-qaeda he executed him on the spot right so in a sense he's a an ally of sorts in that case against al-qaeda and a counterbalance to iran which had held our hostages for over a year in 1979 so it's like that was in no sense consistent with our interests iraq had nothing to do with 9-11 at all despite the many many lies uh i knew people who told those lies really really steve hayes wrote a whole book about it was a lie no one's ever apologized but those lies all served one imperative which is fight israel's enemies i was there so i know that that's true and everyone knows that that's true and you're now required to lie about it was just a mistake it was not a mistake at all it was totally intentional yeah and so when i give speeches to those muslim groups and i talk about american sovereignty that's when i get the biggest applause because who is the victim of another government meddling in the american government the most muslim americans are because i mean there's no equivalent i mean for any money that the gulf countries or anything else puts into america it doesn't get any power at all okay so but the turks this is interesting because you were born in turkey you came here at a your co-host on your show or someone on your show uh anna kasparian is just a wonderful person i think but um is armenian so one of the most famous feuds in history one of those famous genocides was the armenian genocide right after the during the first world war and here you are good friends and work together every day and that to me is a huge part of the promise of america you can leave your tribal wars in the countries of origin and come here and interact as equals under the american flag as citizens like that is truly the vision i think everyone you know we imported tons of irish in the 1840s into an anglo country they didn't need each other those countries had been hated each other for centuries but they all came here and pretty much got along sort of watching the israelis import which they are doing and there are many proxies in the us importing their ancient tribal conflicts into my country telling me there's an anglo multi-century american my family that i have to hate muslims or so it's like first of all i'll decide who i hate not you it's not up to you who i hate you're not in charge of me and second like that's your battle why don't you keep it in the levant like i don't want anything to do with that right yeah but now it completely dominates you i hate muslims it's like first of all i believe in jesus i'm not a muslim but i like a lot of muslims and i'm never going to say i don't and isn't that funny that they're like if you don't agree to everything the israeli government does then you hate jews but if you don't i don't hate jews and i don't hate muslims and i don't want any part of their fight i mean why what i but wait tucker then they go on to the second part of the sentence so like if you disagree with israeli you're a bigot then they say you have to hate muslims but wait a minute i thought you were against bigotry so you're not against bigotry so how is hate all muslims any different from hate all jews well it's not it's not it's not right it's the same and but these you know you have people who don't believe in universal principles and that's kind of the core problem it's like only certain types of hate are bad only certain kinds of bigotry but no no if bigotry is bad it's always bad because all people are created by god and they're inherently equal they may have different abilities they do have different abilities but they have equal value and if you don't believe that which barry weiss doesn't then you can with a straight face say anti-semitism is wrong i agree with you barry weiss hating muslims is right no i mean i don't agree with you i'm sorry yeah and by the way don't bring that into my country go away yes laura loomer mark levin say all the time you should hate muslims muslims are the problem well then you've lost your moral high ground well they don't believe in a universal principle it's just it's just identity politics it's no better than any other form of identity politics and it's all disgusting and immoral exactly so whereas to your point anna and i do a show together and that's an armenian and a turk doing a show together literally and a show called the young turks i was like well i first thought it was this years ago i was like holy smokes yeah people may not know what the young turks were but yeah whatever isn't that beautiful isn't that a beautiful thing about the promise of america leave your tribal your ancient tribal conflicts and your countries of origin and come here and exist as equal citizens under the law that is the that is to me that's the most american sentiment i can imagine yeah and so and by the way when you do that that doesn't mean that you leave your entire culture behind don't bring your food don't bring your language don't bring this don't bring i agree no no we've had the italians brought pizza the jews bought bagel and luxe and pastrami and the chinese brought it's great and wonderful love it love it love it but you have to agree that america is your top identity of course or else you're going to have hutus and tutsis murdering each other in your cities yeah like no how about no you have to be an american it means something to be an american it means you put ancient tribal hatred aside i mean so when you look at the young turks our audiences armenians greeks jews muslims christians everyone everyone and in the old world that wouldn't happen that's why we came here because we don't want the old world we want this world this world of freedom and equality amen amen right i just could not agree with what you said more strongly i just really feel it yeah so back to the memorandum of understanding why sorry i'm a digressor no no i'm doing the same thing so they say 20 year the new one we want is a 20 year memorandum of us so we have to give you a 20 year contract and they say the 4 billion that we're giving them currently per year on top of everything else is not enough and they started talking about 5 billion so wait a minute now 5 billion 20 years we're talking about another 100 billion we're going to borrow from china to give to israel and then pay interest the rest of our lives and this is exclusive of this does not include military obligations so if there's another war of course we'll backstop it with missile defense or whatever carriers in the region right so it doesn't even include that yeah so uh but because they got so much pushback this is the first time i've ever seen the israelis give an inch all of a sudden netanyahu comes and goes maybe 10 years maybe we taper it off right it's total maybe go away and never come back yeah how about that so look i started a site notanotherdollar.com okay notanotherdollar.com is that a hate site i'm able to call it that so what we're saying is look two things one is number one uh if you if a congressperson takes money from israel vote against them okay now why because we want our representatives to be our representatives it's not an outrageous ass it's a bare minimum mask right uh and happy to apply to any country okay but right now israel's the one giving to 94 of congress so there has to be some consequences i agree so since we're peaceful and non-violent and by the way again violence destroys any movement that is why a lot of times counter insurgencies start the violence of course right always they could destroy so if anyone there's nothing more real than false flags yes it's just a fact it's been a feature of warfare hot and cold from the beginning of history so do if anyone proposes violence they're on the other side okay reject them turn them turn them in turn them into the authorities okay zero violence so they cannot destroy the movement okay and because it's the right thing to do and it's the moral position right so what we're saying is i also have operation consequences.com it goes to the same thing so what are the consequences not violent not hatred not anything just if you vote with israel to give them another dollar we're gonna vote against you and you know what you don't have to cross party lines that's what primaries are for yeah so if you're a republican you never have to vote for a democrat if you're a democrat you never have to vote for a republican go into the primaries and we're gonna make two lists one is are you taking money from israel okay and that list already exists you know you have a pack tracker etc we'll put it up on the site so you can see oh these guys are taking money and these guys aren't so when you see tom massey and he takes no money from apac or any of the israeli lobbies you go i might agree or disagree with tom massey but at least i know he's honest and he represents us and not a different government okay and the second thing we're saying is did you give money to israel did you take money from israel and did you give money to israel so if forget the past because they all gave money in the past okay we're fair clean slate but going forward you vote one more time for another dollar to israel and you're never going to get our vote ever it's a solemn pledge okay now you could sign the pledges on notanotherdollar.com or operationconsequence.com but it doesn't matter create your own website create your own pledge create your own movement or join the movement say hey you know what i don't want to go to those sites i want to do it on my show great i love it right you i want to do it in a right-wing way great i love it left-wing way great i love it okay but you've got to get the representatives some consequences it sounds like democracy exactly that's all it is that's all it is so just inject the views of the people who own the government into the conversation about what the government should do yeah so if you for example radical if you do that poll um do does america owe israel any more money my guess is an overwhelming majority are going to say no how would you get that poll how would you get i mean do you think you could get cnn to take that poll well if they say that no we're not going to ask americans that then it they obviously have an agenda they claim to be objective right cnn claims to objective they still i worked there for many years not objective right new york times very much pretends to be objective uh all right then ask the question do the do does america owe israel any more money okay now if you say maybe we're wrong tucker right maybe the americans come in and go eighty percent of americans say yes we owe israel more money then we'll stand corrected and we'll go our bad americans can't wait to give more money to israel no matter what the circumstances are but wait if it turns out sixty eight percent eighty two percent some significant majority of americans say no we don't owe them any more money now does the voice of the american people matter or does it not matter and you know what the answer is and that's why they won't do the poll and that's why we'll do it for them that's okay right look right now 92 percent of democrats say that what israel did in gaza was wrong and that was before the election and both joe biden kamala harris said i don't care about my voters i don't care about 92 percent of my voters they couldn't have been any clearer i'm going to serve israel now number one donor lifetime to joe biden is a pack a pack gave is that true yes over 11 million dollars throughout his career uh the israeli lobby totally financed now 11 million to just to joe biden just to joe biden okay and that i would have thought it was city bank or the key credit card companies so he he was known as the senator from mbna which is a credit card company in delaware so he was literally known for corruption now did you hear that in mainstream media from objective he gave his son a house right i mean it's pretty open yeah yeah i mean he joe biden's trademark thing in washington was do whatever the donors tell you that's why the one promise he kept was to the donors remember he said to them nothing will fundamentally change because if you're at the top you don't want anything to change right because then you might slip from the top you if you're at the top you love the status quo so you want a politician coming and telling you nothing will fundamentally so here's one question that i have it i don't have the answer to so i understand that that's all consistent with the darker parts of human nature i'm winning i don't want anything to change i get it i don't even judge it but the rest of the country is withering and dying and that's measurable um in life expectancy for example every you know there's no way to argue that this is helping normal people and they're not staying the same they're going down by every measure they're down to their personal health why are the people who run the country are ruling class like it's not enough that they profit it does feel like they're trying to hurt the people they rule that's the that's i mean i i've reached that conclusion what is that so i'm most angry at our politicians and i'm going to give you an analogy about that in a second so like so israel pharma they're going to logically try to rob us of course i get it right the king takes most for himself but he also like wants to make his people like not die earlier but they do want us to die earlier what is that but it's um yeah so it's largely our representative so so i talked about biden kamala took five million from apac talk about that uh let's talk about trump so trump in the first uh election 2016 takes 100 million from sheldon adelson okay so does sheldon get something in return of course he does right so he got a great number of things a corruption charge and uh went largely went away with a small fine uh the state tax was dropped right in the nick of time before he passed away saved them billions of dollars you know where the adelson's make most of their money gambling in china yeah okay in macau so they're mainly a chinese company and uh and they had to bring their money back from china to america so they got a tax holiday we don't get tax holidays but they get tax holidays and so their the repatriation tax was brought down to about eight percent so instead of paying 35 they paid eight percent which saved them billions of dollars so then they take that money from china bring it back to america they give 100 to to trump he runs again they give another 100 uh they he runs again they at this time it's miriam adelson sheldon's passed away his wife miriam gives 137 to trump so now collectively they've given 337 million dollars to donald trump's re-election campus so now one of the things they wanted was taxes and other interests and defeat the unions and their casinos and all the things they're their wish list but the main thing they wanted was for israel and trump says it all the time he doesn't hide it at all he says he said in the knesset yeah he said look you guys give me money and you said sheldon wanted me to to move our embassy from you know tel aviv to jerusalem so i moved it for him like you're not supposed to say that okay but i love about trump i love it when he just says it yeah so he's like and then so they wanted this and and i gave him the goal on heights i said go ahead take it right and whatever is your last and she said sheldon came in here in my first term more than any other person and he said to be fair he gave the most right so if you give that much money you get access and you get american policy so now miriam's up there going maybe you should run for a third term and i'll give him 250 million dollars she said that on air next to trump so that is them rubbing it in our face saying so that's the part i don't understand like every country has a ruling class that derives the most benefit from whatever system is they're running but it's the pretty undisguised hatred for americans like why the humiliation rituals why why say that in public why basically give the entire country the finger you have no control if you step out of line we'll send the police to your door like you don't need to behave that way yeah this is relatively new there's hatred in there that's how you behave toward people you really want to hurt before i they were more subtle about it yeah that's why i never said anything i wasn't fully aware of it but also it's like it's working it's you know whatever i don't get involved in this but all of a sudden it's like you know you're not allowed to live in the country that you were born in because you disagree with a foreign country it's like you don't need why are you talking to me like that who do you think you are why do you why what are you doing so since they're starting to lose control now back to the american people overall uh six this was about six months ago the numbers are probably starker now but sixty percent of americans said uh we don't want to support what israel is doing uh with financing anymore sixty percent sixty percent for gaza okay they said we we are not backing what israel is doing and only 32 said yes so two to one very very very clear the american people two to one don't give israel any more money to kill more people in gaza don't do it and all of our politicians democrats and republicans are like no we're going to give them more money we don't care shut up american people so why are they switching to this new harsher tactic because i think they're going for intimidation they've already lost the people they've lost the propaganda wars so they're just going for bullying they don't intimidate me and i'm totally happy to pay any price not to go along with this not because i hate jews i certainly don't hate jews but because i love my country and we have the right to act in our own interest and to say what we truly believe and i will never bow to any other system voluntarily and i feel like a lot of americans clearly you feel that way a hundred percent america was not made for bowing okay so so that's the things that hurt my family i'm happy to bow before god i'm not too arrogant to bow but i'm not going to bow to something that hurts my children like i'm not going to do that and today no they're not going to take our freedom away so back to your point about the humiliation rituals then why do that it gets way worse in case you don't know this for the folks at home the adelson's then lobbied trump to get jonathan pollard back to israel okay so jonathan pollard is a traitor i mean as big a traitor as we have ever had in this country and a true hater of america says it out loud all the time yeah and he goes further he endangers jewish people by saying if you're a jew in america you should work for israel like i did and betray america he says that okay so now this is as despicable anti-american character as you will find on planet earth so not only do they lobby to get him back to israel first of all he should never been let out of jail ever ever what did the israelis do with the national suit with the navy secrets that he gave them do you know they gave them to the soviet union and they gave them to the soviet union in exchange for refusenix i remember this i know people were involved in it and yeah our our top ally gave our national security secrets this is the middle of the cold war it's not a joke these countries have nuclear weapons pointed at each other and israel gave those secrets to the soviets so that's just a fact oh you're lying i'm not lying yeah and in this case yeah in this case uh not only so they've been lobbying democrats and republicans get jonathan pollard out of jail because he delivered for israel and so they got obama to pardon him and not pardon him but like say okay he can get out of jail then they got trump to say he can leave the country okay so this is all already disastrous but just to rub it in a little bit more he was flown back to israel on a private jet owned by sheldon adelson that's the adelson saying f you we work for israel not for america we're going to take the worst trader you've ever had and celebrate him we're going to give him a hero's welcome i don't understand that that is not in my my personal range of like emotions that's like you won got it okay great you know you're getting what you want okay but that's like if you're playing tennis with someone and you crush them in tennis rather than going up and shake hands you know good good game that's what i was forced to do as a child you leap across that and like beat him to death with a racket i i don't like what is that impulse i think it's the scariest thing i've ever seen they're going for full intimidation right but why because it they they lost the american people we're gone so look i mean look tucker you're arguably the the biggest show in in the right wing right and you certainly were on fox and you have the numbers to back it up now right we're arguably the biggest show on the left this is the you know you could argue that it's the heads of the families getting together yeah on behalf of the american people saying the right and the left and then by the way we can bring in any independence you could bring in tim dylan anyone else and they will say the same thing enough enough we have no hatred in our hearts okay i don't but but enough so not another dollar and we're done with you guys and hey good luck good luck with iran right but i don't have to spend a trillion dollars fighting your war for you in iran i don't and what if look and you know what they're doing guys pull back like this is so unhealthy this relationship pull back we both regain our sovereignty israel doesn't have sovereignty exactly either i mean i i don't know you could debate what sovereignty means but they're totally dependent on the united states that's not good how's that good yeah for israel and so like let's just become normal countries again and then be friends yeah that seems like a good outcome to me yeah by the way it's a terrific outcome for israel right so now when you total it all together probably around 350 billion that they've taken from us and they've we and 8 trillion in wars we did for them take the win and go like it's time to take the winnings off the table right so if you say no i want another 300 billion i want another 100 billion i want you to pay for another war and i'm going to take more and you can't have the first amendment anymore because you're not allowed to criticize me yeah okay that that's when i say i'm not participating in this totally happy to go to jail for it i don't care i'm never going going to participate in any effort by a foreign power or our own government to limit my birthright so tucker let's talk about that because there's so many things that israel does that i'm not sure people are aware of and why are they not aware of it because establishment media not only doesn't report on it but actively covers it up right and and if you dare report on it they'll call you names and try to ruin your career okay so what have they done uh first of all the first amendment is sacrosanct so no there is no exception to the first amendment uh for israel and by the way if you say there should be you're trying to destroy our constitution okay so no we're not going to let you destroy our constitution so no nobody should be arrested on a college campus for writing an op-ed against israel an editorial saying that they should be sanctioned that's all that's what that turkish phd student wrote and they're like that's it arrest her what do you mean arrest her for her speech what does that mean and now as i said they're targeting american workers trying to get them fired the lady who put both of us on a list for oh anti-semite of the year whatever she went and gave a speech about and by the way everyone could look up every fact i'm saying they can go find the videos for themselves and they should and they should spread it all over the internet and she's on there going we're going to find any american that opposes us and we're going to try to ruin their lives she said it she's like we're going to make sure they never get a job they never get a wife a husband we're going to go after their families i'm like you're saying it out loud you're saying it out loud right i don't believe in blood guilt in this country period i mean that's why your family was able to move from turkey and you wound up close friends with an armenian because you're not responsible for what your ancestors did that's a that is a core american value exactly so then there's 31 states i believe uh again look it up maybe it's 30 maybe it's 29 god bless but about that area that have passed laws saying you're not allowed to boycott or divest or sanction israel and if you're an american company that does that we're going to take away your contracts from the state governments you will be punished severely financially your family your business etc if you dare to disagree with israel what the fuck kind of law is that and by the way that's a lot of democratic governors and a lot of republican governors if your governor is saying we you must serve israel and if you dare to defy israel i'm going to take away your living and i'm going to take away american government contracts from you you should be livid about that is there any law in the united states that you've heard of that says if you criticize the u.s government our constitution desecrated flag like i don't i don't think there's any penalty ever for attacking the united states and i'm not saying there should be of course but then how can there be penalties for disagreeing with a foreign country you can say whatever you want about america whatever you want and people do and i'm glad you can't but the second you're critical of benjamin netanyahu you get punished by the u.s government that's insane but that's the state i don't think it's an exaggeration is it yeah no it's not again mad libit put in any other country but even your own country it's totally fine yeah you can criticize america oh my gosh yes you can call for sanctions of america you can call for boycotting america you can go for you you you want to go after the portuguese okay imagine if they said you're allowed to criticize every country on earth including your own except portugal why why except portugal right but if you say why except israel anti-semite yeah and why do they say anti-semite it's to eliminate every voice of opposition to israel in american conversation are you ready for the consequences of this though i mean you're a business owner you're a father yeah um i'm not being melodramatic i never talk about this stuff i'm not going to now but i'm just you know let's be real like the reason people don't say obvious non-hateful things like you shouldn't be prevented from criticizing a foreign country in your own country the reason they don't even say that is because they know what the consequence the real consequence not a joke consequences these are not people who are kidding yeah are you are you comfortable with that like why did you decide to do this you don't need to do this yeah so we've already dealt with a lot of consequences right and so first of all uh you know they tell folks don't do business with the young turks you know or our you know that yeah i definitely know that i know that for a fact yeah um and our network is called tyt you know we got a 24-hour channel and all these places um everywhere but cable and um and they don't do don't do sales don't do investments don't do anything because they're anti-semites okay so uh you know take away their money um and make sure that they don't survive uh and then they do propaganda uh to the audience that's less effective but uh but for a while it was effective you know oh they're hateful people they say they're on the left but they they you know they're bigots and they're this and they're that and then um every kind of an attack against me uh but the established media always hated me why uh because i'm populist left and they despise populism so certainly do yeah why do they despise populism do you think because it's against the status quo it's for change yeah and if you're at the top you don't want anything to change if they don't want to rock the boat because it's their boat that's why they murdered huey long but populism has a pretty uh pretty long and very violent history in the united states reaction to it yeah you just get killed so do we get death threats all the time right um do we get threats of different sorts all the time and if you like if let's say that the iranian government was threatening to kill me or their supporters were threatening to kill me or my family and they were doing all these attacks against our business people would be i think outraged right and i would be and jake tapper would love to talk about the iranians interfering with an american company and threatening americas we should do something about iran right uh israel does it shut up you anti-semite oh jake tapper hasn't defended you jake tapper's gonna write a book one day it turns out we were the problem no one could have seen it coming no we see it now jake you're the problem okay and so this whole defense of israel over the top defense of israel is absurd it's insane while pretending to be objective and and they actively covering up the news here let's do more but why get involved because i can't help it uh i i'm i can't help but be free and that's why i love this country that's why this is kind of made for me uh uniquely uh wonderful country for me and my personality and i can't bow i just can't do it i was on an airplane uh probably 20 25 years ago with james carville who was my co-host at cnn and you know a great guy in some ways a great guy very smart and i said something about israel some humiliation they were shooting into the church of the nativity murdering a bell ringer so i was like oh i don't want to fight about israel i never have wanted to but i said that is just too much i mean whatever it was at the moment and he goes i'll never forget this he goes watch kids get into college i was like uh i guess i had little kids a lot of them and he goes then you'll shut up i was like you think that would affect my kids ability to get into college i'd never even thought of that before of course then you'll shut up quote that's a verbatim quote you want your kids in college you'll shut up and and to my shame i guess i i did kind of shut up for like 20 years like i don't want to deal with this at all i've got all kinds of things i'm interested in i'm not that interested in israel love jerusalem but like i don't want to get involved so that i'm not trying to be melodramatic but that's real and did you ever have a moment where you're like you know i maybe i maybe i don't maybe i just ignore let let it let it slide yeah no uh and so uh tucker it happened to me so um there's a school private school in ella it actually happened an attitude in two different ways so um uh and we applied for my son to get into that private school and my one of my nephews happens to work uh as a volunteer in that school and someone in admission told him uh his uh that my son's application was going to be hurt because of uh his dad's positions on israel actually they actually said that out loud that's why the israelis have been happy to murder tens of thousands of children in gaza because they believe in blood guilt that's just that's just a that's the truth they say it out loud i'm like we believe in blood guilt like the children are responsible for the sins of their parents so we're going to kill them or not let them into the school or and we face this a lot in my family so yeah yeah so that's a ramification for us personally and as you know anna's husband uh is a coach at another private school and uh they try to get him fired and they demanded like some sort of maoist apology where he denounces his own wife and calls her an anti-semite publicly and he's like no i'm not gonna do it his own wife yeah they're like you must denounce your own wife otherwise we don't feel safe okay what is that what is that and so we don't feel safe you're you're threatening to wreck my family but you're the one who doesn't feel safe because it's always projection they're always the victims so like why do i say jake tapper like for the jake is just representative of the mainstream media overall israel keeps taking more and more land you could see it on a map they just took 53 percent of gaza and jake and the rest go self-defense no but wait a minute brother i can see the map israel is growing they say they want greater israel they're doing greater israel they're the ones that killed the palestinians and then took their land and jake goes no no don't believe your lying eyes don't believe your lying ears israel is the victim they're always the victim they're going to fire you work for like why would that's absurd why would you say something like that who like where what is your mission okay and i challenge shake i challenge all of cable news anchors so why don't you talk about for example one of hundreds of things that we've mentioned here but another one is nine americans killed in israel over the last three years nine americans killed not accidentally but by israeli settlers or the idf murder actually actually you know how much i didn't know that yeah so sorry do you know how many consequences there's been zero our government does not ask for them to be arrested what do you mean when an american citizen is killed what about mike huckabee he's the american ambassador who just met with jonathan pollard the traitor in the u.s embassy without telling the cia or donald trump mike huckabee is not our ambassador he's their ambassador no okay it's sad to see a man so degraded yeah so where's our justice for the nine americans killed are we going to even ask for justice or is israel literally above the law they can kill americans and totally get away with it our government won't even ask for redress right well i think we know that's true already but it's a fact it's oh i know it's beautiful and then you got tom alexandrovich so he's the guy who was an israeli cyber security official goes to vegas and looks to rape an american girl right so he's like oh there's a great opportunity for basically pedophile tourism i'll go to america and i know as an israeli i won't i won't be held accountable so he gets caught in a sting operation got him okay good gets caught with eight other americans who were also involved in that operation the eight americans are in jail right now in nevada alexandrovich back to israel free ride how but wait you can't say that the americans who did something terrible should be in prison great wonderful totally agree but the israeli is allowed to do it and he can rape any american girl he wants here and he gets a free ride back to israel no no so right now he's technically under arrest but our government isn't doing anything to try to get him back no we want him extradited but what about mike huckabee is he going is he brokering an extradition because he tried to rape an american girl you say that's a fact uh no mike huckabee is not doing anything so the americans killed no consequences americans did mike huckabee complain about the nine americans you said nine americans have been killed yes did huckabee say anything about it not to my knowledge if he said anything it's been incredibly quiet okay and hey mike huckabee if you want to prove me wrong get out there and fight for it say god damn it they killed nine americans they don't fight like hell forget tomorrow forget yesterday don't focus on tomorrow go get him ambassador huckabee let's see what you got the demand that they extradite alexandrovich back to nevada where he faces consequences like the other people who were caught where are you where are you i mean this happens over and over again through the since israel has been formed robert maxwell stole our nuclear secrets the worst possible thing you could do we didn't even arrest them why did and when i looked into why didn't we arrest robert maxwell it because it would have it caused an international incident that embarrassed israel well they should be embarrassed they stole our nuclear secrets when they were pretending to be our allies they should be deeply deeply embarrassed no no no no no no no no no no not only was robert maxwell not arrested he was allowed to buy textbooks in america for that go into our kids schools we're letting a traitor like that a guy he wasn't american but he was a british citizen he was a you know and and and he lived here he lived there and we're letting him buy the textbooks that go into our kids schools after after he stole our nuclear secrets and eventually got a state funeral again heroes welcome in israel congratulations are we ever going to stand up for this country so how about the spies we caught after 9 11 okay put aside whether they knew didn't know what what their activity was but we rounded up dozens and dozens of israeli spies okay great great job fbi ca whoever did it fantastic really proud of you and then we let them go back to israel is that a thing we do if we catch a russian spy or an iranian spy or a dutch spy do we go oh you're free to go aren't we supposed to arrest them and keep them in prison but when it comes to israel there are no laws there are no rules they're allowed to do anything you want and if you object jake tapper comes out and calls you an anti-semi so a year ago this week the new president right after inauguration issued an executive order uh declaring that all files related to the kennedy assassination mlk um and bobby kennedy's assassination had to be released and they they haven't all been unfortunately but um in tranches of documents that have been released in the last 12 months we've seen again and again references to israel have been and there are a lot of references to israel in the files around the kennedy assassination interestingly uh have all been redacted all been redacted for 62 years 63 years it's like what i don't understand like why would that be why are there two monuments to jim angleton in israel you know uh the number two at cia i think it's all very very odd and you hear people complain about conspiracy theories and i'm definitely against conspiratorial thinking because it drives you crazy on the other hand in the absence of transparency that stuff grows like algae i mean what do you think if you don't tell people the truth like what are they supposed to to think they're going to come up with all kinds of theories why can't why would you redact references to israel in the kennedy files for six decades like what is that that's almost an admission so like i i didn't know it's it's very odd i'll say that so i didn't know that until recently and again my establishment media never talks about these things and again it's not just about israel so for example on 9 11 we're redacting references to the saudis oh i know why why so they say well there are allies well if there are allies then maybe they shouldn't have had a hand in 9 11 right they didn't have a hand in 9 11 okay great then show me the redacted part no i won't show you the redacted part okay now this is weird now this is our government working for other governments and what happened after 9 11 we rounded up all the bin ladins yes there were bin ladins in america and we rounded up all the israeli spies and yes there was tons and tons of israeli spies in america following the 19 hijackers around the country yeah yeah and what do we do we round them up oh great we we got them and we released them back to saudi arabia and israel yeah no that's our and then we invade iraq yeah it's had nothing to do with that and increase domestic police powers to the point where the country is not recognizable from what it was on september 10th 2001 so that's our government working for other governments oh i'm and i can't stand it so which leads us to epstein okay so here's another one drop site news has proven definitively that in my opinion and we'll talk about the evidence that uh epstein worked for an intelligence agency and almost certainly musad yeah okay and almost certainly the cia knew it of course okay so now what's the evidence it's overwhelming first of all uh in all the emails he is looking to help one country no it's not finland and no it's not america it's israel so how do we get cyber weapons to israel how do we get america to bomb syria how do we get america to bomb iran okay uh hey uh who brought former prime minister of israel i can set up a meeting with you with putin wait epstein is so powerful he can set up meetings of the former prime minister of israel can he can call putin any time and get someone a meeting then we find out that he was in the the iran contra affair he was the one switching the planes out how many civilians were involved in the iran contra affair easy answer zero there are no civilians involved in iran contra everyone was intelligence okay so this guy switching out planes in the middle of iran contra is obviously intelligence and that's jeffrey epstein okay so jeffrey epstein was much more powerful than we realized he could set up a meeting with almost any war leader he'd get almost anyone into the white house again ahud barack has trouble getting into the white house epstein makes a call boom he's in the white house israeli spy stays over at at epstein's house there's just no question about it he is definitely intelligence and in every turn he's looking to help one country and it's israel american media says shut up no jeffrey epstein new york times has a story about how he's like a forrest gump he just tripped over the money and oh god golly gee he just happened to be an savvy investor and nothing to see here now drop site news already showed it why wouldn't you try to build on that why wouldn't you cover that is that not an interesting story that i think it qualifies i don't understand i'm not pretending to understand it but it's certainly interesting it's certainly interesting yeah i mean and by the way and it seems significant too yeah if you're the new york times or you jay tapper your senate disprove it i don't want to believe something that's wrong so show me oh no drop site no who's got it wrong those emails are wrong it turns out he was working for uh sweet okay or no one fine but they don't do that they don't disprove it they don't prove it they don't report on it they never ever talk about it that is super weird super weird well speaking of an admission of guilt yeah yeah because that is the most interesting story in a long long time obviously american people are captivated by it yes is the is the new york times and cnn claiming that they're not captivated by it no they obviously are right and they report about it as it affects trump all the time trump trump trump trump trump trump right i'm not saying that trump didn't know i've seen he did i'm not saying they weren't great friends they were right but it's a bigger story i think we it's a bigger story than just trump yes i think it is right but whenever it comes to trump they're like yes it was trump it was trump why magic you don't want to have people look here this is where the real action is so get them to look here get them to look here yes it's three card monte yes it's all an illusion so it's unconscionable not to talk about epstein's connections to intelligence including mossad and including the cia for sure and british intelligence and french and and what was this i mean you get the sense that it reveals the you know the superstructure beneath you know it it gives you a glimpse into how power is exercised globally because it is global right and i you know there's so much that i know a lot about the epstein story and i'm still totally ignorant about what that was i really don't understand it but it's obvious there's it's a third rail for a reason yeah yeah so it that's why right now there's a bit of a revolution going on do you think there is there is yeah and so again another reason why they hate you so much uh because uh the left wing was already gone you know 92 disapproving of the actions of israel and gaza and our politicians already gave us the middle finger and said no we'll lose this election rather than defy israel we'll lose michigan we'll lose swing states we don't care we serve israel loyally okay now there's a bunch of democrats that are against that roqana being the leading guy saying no i want to see the epstein files no i think palestine should exist i don't know why pal why everybody talks about israel should be allowed to exist good news they do right and they have nukes and they have iron dome that nobody has they're about as safe a country as you could find on planet earth no one else has iron dome only a handful of countries have nukes they have a better military than the rest of the middle east combined they're perfectly safe then you say okay you're good you exist we're all in favor that now palestine should exist they're like how dare you you anti-semite no no no no no no no you're the bigot you're the bigot saying that another people should not have freedom they should you they've kept those people enslaved five and a half million palestinians for 58 years and then they brag oh israel's the best democracy and the only democracy in the middle east well it's a democracy within israel it's a dictatorship within the occupied territories what is happening in the occupied territories there's a bit of a dictatorship now in mainland israel for for israeli jews too i mean you're not welcome to well first of all they try to keep people from leaving the country of restricted freedom of movement and there i mean you get the cops at your door for saying certain things in that country it's in many countries that's that's true but it's also true there so like come on now yeah stop stop lying to me yeah and and so the media they they're an enormous part of the problem so you see our politicians both under democratic and republican uh presidents and administrations say no we're not going to release the epstein files no we're going to give epstein a sweetheart deal back in 2008 and then we're going to take alex acosta and make him the labor secretary under trump right that was the funniest thing that's ever happened didn't work very well yeah and by the way oh galane maxwell that sounds familiar oh she's a daughter of robert maxwell legendary israeli spy who stole our nuclear secrets by the way i don't know that that's ever been mentioned on cable news ever isn't that a super interesting fact that the main co-conspirator of jeffrey epstein that her dad was the biggest spy israel's ever had now you could say hey the sins of the father are not passed on to the daughter so that doesn't prove anything but it's at least an interesting fact and it's not even the most interesting in my opinion the most interesting fact is attorney general bar covered up epstein's murder because he was murdered and he covered it up as the attorney general of the united states and said we have to let people know this was a suicide like number one rule is don't let them think it was a murder he said that before they'd done an investigation into it so like that's a cover-up by definition you don't even know the facts but you're reaching a conclusion and commanding everyone else reach the same conclusion you're covering it up and then it turns out his father donald bar got jeff epstein his first job teaching math at the dalton school he didn't even have a college degree okay and then got him a job at bear stearns the attorney general's father is the one who started jeffrey epstein's career and set him up with his friends in finance and then his son becomes attorney general and covers up his murder i mean what are the chances cenk like what are the odds on that do you think then you combine that with the odds on the maxwells then you combine that with the odds of israeli spies and prime ministers staying at his house and then you combine that with all the emails he's saying i can't wait to get america to do what israel wants unlikely things happen but we've all seen crazy things happen it's like oh happenstance and like you know sometimes it you know rolls up and you get the jackpot i get it and that is part of life but if it keeps happening and you keep yelling at me for noticing i think you think i'm dumb right yeah and so tucker what i think happened come on now yeah they they're insulting our intelligence did you think yeah percent and so what but there's something great happening at the same time okay so so politicians terrible but now we got a little bit of rebellion on the democratic side with akana and a couple of guys a little bit of rebellion on the republican side with tom massey a little bit of anti-war with rand paul marjorie taylor green was great i wanted her to stay by the way the one person they we had marjorie taylor green on the show a couple of times people started yelling at me how dare you what are you doing she's the enemy and stuff and i'm like guys they want you to think that the other side is the enemy they want you had marjorie on your show yeah oh bless you good so they want you to attack use all of your energy and all of your fight against other americans okay worse and so marjorie taylor green comes on and i said well i had her on because she's agreeing with us she's a now she's she's anti-war we're anti-war like i'm taking yes for an answer right amen they said but she did she ever do anything substantive to stand up to israel yeah actually she did she almost single-handedly killed a boycott divestment and sanction bill in the house yeah she said no this is taking away americans freedom of speech i'm against it and when she made a big deal out of it it embarrassed the other republicans because yeah it's against our freedom of speech exactly right and so she did do something great right more than almost anyone yeah and so i i still disagree with marjorie and you on other issues right but why would people get that's so interesting that that people would be mad at you for having her on when she's one of the only members of congress literally the only members who's doing the things that you have said that you believed in for a long long time 100 it's so strange because it's because we've been taught by who by the media to hate each other and to have a tribal brain partisan totally true right so because if the left and the right the republicans and democrats realize that the people rigging the rules are the ones with all the wealth and power up top that is the only force that is mighty enough to take on the ruling class the donor class so that is why they have to get us fighting at all times you must hate each other don't look up whatever you do don't look up hate each other use all your energy this way so unfortunately our side got taught this too so marjorie taylor green tucker carlson that's it you can't ever talk to them they're the bad guys right i'm like are they still the bad guys if they agree with them right let's let's let's get back what let's define bad guy for a second and and do wait do i have to change my position if tucker agrees with me do i have to become pro war all right let's bomb iran now this is too much i can't deal with it some podcaster agrees with me i'm changing my mind yeah so now roe did something really smart and this gets back to marjorie in a sec um roe took a executive order that uh trump had uh about lowering drug prices most favored nation status right if france germany japan are paying this much we should pay that much why are we financing the whole world and that's what's happening we're paying so much more not than ethiopia but then other developed nations like germany and of course to subsidize drugs that aren't even made in this country yeah it's so bonkers by the way we subsidize them in a hundred different ways we also we we pay for their research that goes to the universities right of course and then they then we give them the patent what no no no that patent is worth billions maybe trillions of dollars an american taxpayer paid for that research should we not get equity that is how capitalism works when we bailed out the banks should we have not gotten equity if a private company bailed out the banks they would have own the banks okay that's how capitalism if you don't pay your mortgage they own your house exactly right but for collateral yes but for the donor class in that case the pharmaceutical companies nope nope just have it for free right you outsource the risk you privatize the reward it's the oldest system there is and also the most immoral yeah and so the reason why the tappers of the world hate left-wing populists is because we've been pointing this out for 20 years so so when roe does this and he goes okay look the executive order it's it'll get knocked down by the courts but good news if we turn it into a bill it can't get knocked down by the courts so he took the executive order verbatim didn't change a word okay and said now let's pass it as a bill and he got two or three republican co-sponsors i went to the democrats the couple of democrats that i know in congress i was like guys this is beautiful it's a layup this is core democratic policy we got super lucky trump did an executive order doing our policies so let's jump on rose bill nope the only person i could convince to join rose bill was marjorie taylor green no way yes and what did jake tapper weigh in on this so no here's my beef old school beef with jake so other than his non-stop defense of israel um so and i'm sure he'll object to that so that's i've slightly tweaked them from time to time what do you mean okay i'm slight i'm like 12 11 97 against the genocide okay but it's not a genocide you anti-semite okay uh so i feel like jake tapper is looking down his nose at us every time he talks on tv he's like and i will tell you this israel had nothing to do none of the donors had anything to do with anything right i feel like he i don't i don't know why i know jake well but i feel like he's the one who's suffering i feel like it hasn't worked it's the prizes that he wanted he weren't worth having and he's he doesn't seem happy at all to me but you know maybe i'm just so god bless his heart i wish him nothing but happiness okay but so how did it come about so when i ran for congress the media lied about me in hilarious ways okay so and jake joined in on that so they would take out of context clips and then jake would retweet it and without even checking what i thought you were a journalist so they the new york times said that i had a history of being anti-muslim and never mentioned that i was born muslim and my family's muslim and my background's muslim never mentioned it the new york times described me in such a vicious way that if i was a voter in my in that district that i was running in i would have voted against me right because i don't want to vote for an anti-muslim anti-semite anti-everything they painted me as like some like vicious racist right winger when i was the biggest supporter of bernie sanders in the primaries right in 2016 2020 etc so and then they said uh oh he had an interview with david duke where i lit into david duke because david duke was saying outwardly anti-semitic things yeah and i called him an anti-semite a bigot uh all these things you know me i and also a federal informant just to be just to add to the list yeah and so and an idiot etc so i said all those things in the interview i hold no holds bar to young turks right uh new york times said that i agreed with david duke that he was not a racist and other outlets said that i brought david duke on to share his anti-semitic views no way yeah and so other journalists watch the interview well they want to see how terribly anti-semitic and racist jank was pretending to be a left-winger and all this and i'm like holy shit you guys are totally lying the exact opposite happened in the interview so new york times had to do a rare correction on that one they're like okay fine all right he was being sarcastic fine okay but we by the way i had a pr person because it was a congressional run they and they're really well connected to all these folks they call the new york times they call the editor and the editor this is amazing the editor told them and i don't know why they say these things i'm stunned that they say them out loud but the editor told them look you're right i watched the david duke interview we got it retracted and you're right about the muslims thing you're right about the beastiality thing which we'll get back to which is hilarious that's that's my favorite hold on so he says but i look i went around and i asked and everyone here hates jank and they don't want to do a correction the best i could do was get a correction on the david duke one because that one's so over the top everyone here hates jank that's amazing that's amazing yeah i don't know how many people he asked i don't know if he has three people 13 people it was probably a small group that was working on that group so but the fact that he would say that to our pr guy is unbelievable right so now the bestiality okay so i do a segment on the young turks like over a decade ago and i say we had this guy rodel that he was having sex with horses in in tennessee and we thought we thought what a bizarre crazy story he gave the horse an std okay we're like rodel what are you doing what are you doing we're making fun of this guy then i really dryly i go you know what if the horse is receiving it you know i don't know that the horse is objecting right they cut the tape and he goes that's it a jinx for me shallot okay now if you keep rolling the tape what i say next is is the horse going to object nay and then everybody in the studio that's pretty funny actually yeah and everybody laughs but they cut that part out right so new york times made it seem like it was part of my legislative agenda horse sex yes i mean isn't that like an old lyndon johnson quote it's on it it's very much like a very famous i can't say it's too vulgar but yes and the idea was to accuse your opponent of well bestiality not because it's true because then he'll have to deny it and repeat it yeah and here i am denying it yeah here when the conversation is about bestiality you're not winning it doesn't matter so that's why they do tricks like that and tapper's like retweet love it who cares oh i wonder what he said next is not a thought he had in his mind apparently right that's amazing so that's how they do character assassinations okay but you said so but you said at the outset um that they're losing and i think i do think that's like the real lesson here so like i was at cnn with jake you know 25 years ago and that was like a big to us it was a you know in your 20s it's like a big thing we're at cnn we're oh it's so great and he stayed and um and you get to 2026 it's like who would want a job at cnn like i don't think again the prize is worth winning like you don't actually want that not just because it's liberal or whatever dishonest because like nobody cares yeah like it doesn't mean anything anymore or maybe i'm just too out of it and i think that do you think it still means something uh no it means very little but in their world and that's still high status for them really yeah and they're all of course so look tucker look at our careers and and how much things have changed in the last 10-15 years yeah and so when i was a a host on msnbc at six o'clock um back in 2011 um that was highly celebrated i mean oh yeah i instantly started winning awards and getting speeches paid speeches and all these amazing things that i never got online we're the we're the first youtube partner channel ever i'm i'm the original youtuber uh and really yeah i've gotten the young turkses young turks i didn't know that yeah what year did you start it so we started the show back in 2002 so we've been around 23 years we were the original talk show for sirius satellite radio so we're the first show there uh then we went to air america that you remember the liberal radio very well yeah and we were there morning drive um and then we went so as part of that we were all over uh radio markets throughout the country on xm and we did great our ratings were terrific in in different places then we started online video in 2005 and we're the oldest running show in internet history we're the longest running show there is online that's amazing i did not know that that's amazing so that's pretty neat we feel good about it now uh but there wasn't a ton of prestige attached to that oh for the first 10 years right god i i was mocked you're on the internet yeah i was on television so i know that i looked at on the internet some internet yeah internet people told us they told us like why would you leave sirius satellite radio to go do youtube like what are you on there with the cats playing piano 100 fat kid falls off bike yeah yeah yeah yeah and so it's i keep turning down money it's serious they offered us a quarter of a million to to not do online video and i was like no no online video is the future i'm going to do online video by hook or by crook i i believe it in a thousand percent uh i wrote my friends an email in 1998 saying online video was going to be tv that it was only a matter of time okay so that's why we're the first youtube partner because i was positive not only that online video was going to win but youtube was going to win and so the entire time mainstream media is mocking us etc uh but then in 2011 i'm uh i did did a campaign to get on msnbc and our audience is amazing best audience in the world they uh sent thousands of emails to msnbc until i finally got a meeting my agent originally fired me i i declared my candidacy for the open position at msnbc and the guy who worked for us at cia at the time was like this is embarrassing you're not going to get the job and so don't do that it'll be very public and i was like brother i got news for you i wasn't gonna get the job anyway okay fair fair right and so and i'm a risk taker and i'm a natural born rebel so i'm gonna go for it and i and i believe in my audience and they did they got me the job there great news that's wild it was amazing and then they kept watching and watching we're like doubling the ratings of the regular host it's unseen unheard of like if a guest host fills in and gets about 75 of the audience that's that's a pretty good job definitely yeah that's a nice job i'm getting 125 150 on some super rare occasions got 200 so doubling the audience but 125 150 of the regular hosts on a consistent basis to the point where a supervising producer came in closed the door on a day we had great ratings and cenk you got to bring it down i said why stop rating so high he said because the other hosts won't want you to fill in well that is a real thing yeah that's a real thing oh i know and so i never felt that way i'm not competitive but there are a lot of people would not have you sit in as a guy i mean that actually happened to me a very famous host stopped having me because i did i did decent numbers they don't want that i get it you know but well good news they got i the ratings are so good i got the job anyway i'm on there for six months and then uh at the but in the middle uh i kept criticizing the democrats and i said i kept criticizing obama from the left not from the right but from the left they're like remember who the home team is yeah remember who the home team is right right and i'm like yeah the home team's the audience that's why i have higher ratings than you've ever had at six o'clock yeah and uh and they made me an offer that uh they thought i couldn't refuse which was you know what we're gonna move you down to the weekends even though you have the best ratings we've had and by the way i beat fox in 18 to 34 i was the only msnbc show to beat fox in any demographic okay and they're like we're moving you down on the weekends why they won't say it but phil did say it earlier on he had pulled me into his office this is phil griffin the president yeah of msnbc and he said i was i was in washington and they're not happy with your tone uh washington's not happy mm-hmm yeah what's like a movie it is it's like but it's a b-rate movie and it's i'm like the reason i believe you i work for phil griffin so i know who i will always like but he's not a genius at all and so he says true things out loud because he doesn't sort of know i mean i can literally picture him saying jenka washington's not happy yeah he no he went further he said uh outsiders are cool and they wear leather jackets and ride motorcycles okay but we're nbc we're not outsiders we're insiders i'm like phil this is a dumb like i'm thinking this is a dumb speech and i'm the very last guy on earth you should be giving this speech to right so that's why he offered to double my salary when he said move to the weekends because the only way you stay on cable news is if you play ball of course right and at some point apparently you were they were not happy with you apparently and that was the message i received yes yeah yeah no one ever explained it but i don't i didn't care now when i said no to msnbc and when you came off off of fox in their minds we were gone we were dead we didn't exist anymore but yet here we are no i i think that i'm thankful to god all the time for that but no i totally agree and part of it's the technology and i just wasn't farsighted or broad-minded enough to see it early at all i mean i was busy scrambling up the greasy pole and i of television and i just didn't i don't know i didn't see it you know yeah i made fun of rogan i've told rogan this i made fun of rogan oh a podcast i'm sure a lot of people listen to that or the internet i was like the internet please so you saw it i wish i had seen it i didn't but i also think it's not just technology it's a way of thinking and it's super obvious i wrote a part of a book on this once that that your opening line is the truest thing some of this is real a lot of it is fake go fight amongst yourselves while we loot the place like that is true yeah so what they do is they eventually remove anyone who objects to the system exactly right so another good example is dylan radigan so dylan radigan always admired dylan radigan yeah he was a cnbc started their two most successful shows biggest most successful anchor they've ever had but after 2008 crash he said it was the banks because it was the banks how is that controversial and cnbc had to take him off the air who else was it who else was it the borrowers it's the the borrower's fault that was who wrote the loans of the banks so that's how the ecosystem works those banks pay the politicians by the way number one donor to hope and change obama in 2008 were the banks okay so then they get a giant bailout and their bonuses are paid and with some of those winnings they funnel the money back to the politicians and then how they control media well the banks are also huge advertisers wait but are you is that true i mean okay so oh wait happens the global financial crisis totally changed the world forever and there's not a single human being honest person who could say it wasn't the banks i mean what else would it be if it wasn't the banks it was only the banks it was the banks by definition and he actually got taken off the air for saying that because if you can't say that then you can't acknowledge like daylight or gravity yeah because that but that's true that's really what happened that's definitely what happened yes and that's pretty wild they said it was the borrowers they did it was the borrowers yes it was their fault they were being irresponsible uh they shouldn't borrowers they shouldn't have borrowed so they wrote their own loans is that what they is that the allegation i mean why some housekeeper in clark county nevada was writing bad loans to herself and golly gee we couldn't tell uh because we didn't do any due diligence on that loan well why didn't you do any due diligence exactly right because they didn't care and because they were using it for collateralized debt obligations exactly and leveraging it up a hundred to one and gambling with our money they weren't actually mortgages they were financial instruments and we thought we were taking bank loans they were loading that money out at interest and then we're getting the you know equity in the house whatever it was not what it was and dylan talks about how in the beginning we used to do wealth creation right now mainly it's wealth extraction yeah i've noticed and so those donors have having bought congress and the media are sitting there and extracting as much from us as humanly possible the oil companies are very successful some of the top companies in the world yes very very profitable we give them 35 billion dollars in subsidies every year why i don't know why is the average person working their ass off in kansas barely making you know the rent or the mortgage have to give money to these incredibly profitable companies to incentivize oil drilling we're here do they need further incentive i thought capitalism was the incentive i thought profit was the incentive why do i have to further incentivize oil companies to do their jobs it's a good point since it's determined by the market price of oil the per barrel price of oil which is set on international markets no individual controls that and so when it's profitable to drill for oil or gas they do and when it's not they don't like it that's the market right yeah and so and here's another thing that's never corrected on cable news even though it would be against trump so they have every reason to to publicize this so when we invade venezuela or we attack venezuela and now we're getting their oil right but wait who's we the american people don't get the oil of venezuela it has nothing to do with the american people no exxon mobil gets a contract chevron gets a contract with venezuela they get the oil they get the profits they sell it on the world market not just the american market at all they have no obligation if they want they don't have to send sell americans a single ounce of that oil because it is their oil not our oil and why does that even matter because exxon mobil otherwise would have had to pay a higher price to get venezuelan oil it's not like they couldn't they could just make a deal with venezuela but they chose not to because they thought it would be too expensive so instead we have to start a war we have to pay for that war and then we pay oil subsidies on top for the oil companies and they get the oil they settle on the world markets it doesn't lower our prices at all and so what did we get out of this well so the plan on this and who knows how it'll work out i i don't know but the plan is for the administration to negotiate the oil contracts and for the money to go to the administration and then to be doled out to the treasury and then the companies that's that's the state of plan i so happened to be there the other day when they were talking about it so is the plan to take a percentage of the venezuelan oil and just give it to america yes that is unprecedented that's the stated plan um i'm not an expert i'm not you know an energy person i'm interested but i'm not an expert i don't speak spanish like there's a live a lot of ignorance um and of course i can't see the future but yes that's the stated plan that's what trump said to i was having lunch with trump and he's like oh come to the oil meeting and like i don't you know it's not my world so i was like okay so i go up there and all these heads of the big oil companies including exxon they didn't seem too enthusiastic about it but we'll see and i just happen to be sitting in the room totally by accident i mean literally by accident because he's asked me to come and he's like he's telling him he's like no no this is for our country and you'll get a cut that i will decide you know i can just tell you what i saw so that's a that's not how it should work right because when you say to a different country we're going to come and we're going to take your natural resources and we're just going to take a certain amount for us period sad day for you what will happen is an insurgency um people will be mad about that well that's the concern i mean and the other point that he made again i don't know where this is going i am literally praying for stability in venezuela and around the world i hate the chaos i hate the chaos and israel unleashes so much we unleash so much it's just the worst thing that we do but uh the idea is that they have cash big time cash shortages you have to pay the military you have to pay the government workers you have to make sure inflation doesn't add control the currency doesn't collapse etc etc and that oil profits will go to venezuela this is the stated aim uh to keep the country from falling apart and to prevent insurgencies which they're afraid of because then like how is that a win yeah so i to say that i'm enormously skeptical yeah i get it i get it i get it and so you know in iraq we didn't get any of the oil the oil companies got it and it didn't help us at all trump's been mad about it ever since we called the a lot of the latin american countries banana republics why we did coups on behalf of banana companies it's not their fault it's our fault our banana did we get the bananas no dole got the bananas exactly they sold them at us uh at a the same exact price they just had a higher price profit margin we literally attack countries for haliburton's profit for dole the company's uh profits so who is we who is the american people right and and when do we ever get represented i could not i you know i vehemently agree um and the space between intent and reality is often very wide so you don't you know you don't know what's going to happen but it's i the only thing that i learned and i was didn't go to washington um to talk about venezuela but i just happened to see this the main thing that i learned is what's being described is a brand new brand new system and whether that'll happen you know a lot of powerful forces don't want it to happen but that's what is being described is a totally new arrangement we'll see yeah so look my sense of it is when you go and you attack other countries our military is amazing uh best in the world best that's ever been created right yeah so that was an amazing mission that they did in venezuela and an amazing one they did in iran but uh you do three or four of those and you're going to get burned because it's just a matter of chances i think that's i think that's right and um yeah it's just rolling it's just really nice no i i agree with everything that you said and just in general it's good to know your limits i think humility is important i think you can really get hurt i've gotten hurt in my life because i imagined i had powers i didn't have like i think it's a very male thing i could do that yeah and so guys i just want the audience to know once we lose some men right like i don't know where it's going to happen i don't know if it's in venezuela iran or somewhere else right but somebody's going to get shot down we're going to lose 12 13 guys whatever is going to happen right let's you know don't panic don't let them sheep herd you into saying well that means we got to put more troops in i agree right now we got to get revenge so then oh my now we lost 100 guys now we got to dig in even more and more and more so that you know whether it's exxon mobil or israel or whoever's profiting off of it could not agree more because you open yourself up to manipulation and false flags and we've seen many many false flags i would say there are a bunch of things about the reagan record i would not defend i don't think anyone should defend but in 19 october of 83 we had this horrible barracks bombing the marine barracks killed over 200 men marines horrible truly horrible bombing and reagan did not invade lebanon you know it happened in beirut he did not invade i mean that and people were really on him like you you can't you're gonna let those murders go unavenged and he said i don't think it's wise he wasn't always wise but in this case i think he was wise he didn't invade beirut we could have you know i voted the last i used to be republican growing up yeah and the last republican i voted for was george hw bush and so why did i vote for him because he uh i thought he did something very principled he said look iraq invaded kuwait yeah and we can't have that they're an ally and they're a sovereign country and if sovereign countries attack one another there'll be no end to it right okay so then they said okay and i like that i like the first persian gulf war i in fact at college i did a pro-war rally okay actually actually at penn yes i was on i got on fox for it and uh it debated a uh anti-war uh guy in philadelphia over okay so is that tape available yeah it's it's my first tv reappearance what year was that uh that must have been 91 92 yeah and that amazing yeah and so look i i don't think i'd do a pro-war rally today probably not right and and people change and that's what we've also had an awful lot of war right we've had an awful lot of war from 1991 or two to present i don't know how many wars in 35 years we've had a lot of wars yeah and at that point we didn't we left vietnam in 1975 and and you know we did grenada but we didn't really have a lot of wars between vietnam and right so is it yeah people had a different memory yeah and so first of all you know one of the things that we emphasize on young turks is uh open hearts open minds amen and so and one of the things i tell the audience is if i didn't believe in open minds i would have stayed a republican so right so so you gotta have you gotta be thinking you gotta be looking at new evidence data so in that case it was actually not a bad war i mean wars are always terrible but persian gulf war we go in it's very limited we free kuwait and we get the hell out yeah and the decision i liked the most was he did not go into iraq at the time israel and others are going going to iraq going to iraq they were mad that we didn't go yeah and the guy who held the line was dick cheney of all people he was the secretary of defense and he said no it makes no strategic sense for america to go into iraq what are we're going to do with it right and that was really prescient and right and it's amazing what happens to people and i don't know what happened to dick cheney but he then turns around you know just some small amount of time later working for george w bush and he says we got to go into iraq we got to go into iraq and then of course halliburton makes a tremendous profit israel is super happy all the defense contractors are super happy we think that iraq was a waste we lost trillions of dollars we lost thousands of men americans that died on foreign soil or were destroyed you know for the rest of their lives yeah i mean you must know some i sure absolutely yeah but it wasn't a loss for the donor class for the donor class they won they won spectacularly defense contractors oil companies the speculators on wall street they all literally made a killing right and at the time israel was saying that's our number one enemy you have to attack iraq so it's the whole puzzle it's not just one thing it's and there's another piece to it which is there's no power like the power to end human life there's a thrill that people derive uh in being able to extinguish another person's life because it it's a godlike power you know and i've certainly seen it a lot you know people just like not because they're evil or because they hate and but they're just like oh my gosh i'm so powerful it's unbelievable i can literally kill someone and it's allowed boy that is addictive and the more you do it the more you like it yeah i'm worried about it and so look back to hope uh so back then the media was terrible and 69 of americans thought that saddam hussein had personally attacked us on 9-11 man now if i thought saddam attacked us on 9-11 yeah yeah if i thought that i would be for attacking iraq i mean attacking us on 9-11 was terrible right we we need to make sure that that never happens again there needs to be consequences is that true 69 of americans thought that yes at the time of the invasion seven out of ten why because mainstream media systematically lied to them they implicitly lied they would have dick cheney come on and say iraq is from the same general region as al-qaeda now wait a minute if you were a journalist you would say but sir iraq is opposed to al-qaeda they execute al-qaeda on the spot right but they didn't say that meet the press uh tim russer didn't say it when dick cheney said no i interviewed cheney during that period too i'm embarrassed to say he probably said it to me i don't even remember but that's so bad well the two main things they kept saying tucker and and young turks is sold we were on the air at the time online okay and i know in that case the radio okay and so we're we're only two shows against the iraq war young turks and democracy now okay and so we're that we're national and we're going no they didn't attack us and everybody in me media is like shut up shut up unpatriotic yeah on unpatriotic support the troops i'm like yeah i support the troops i don't want them to die and for no reason when they didn't attack us yeah the second thing was weapons of mass destruction and where do we get the fake intelligence on weapons of mass destruction israel yep as laundered through the new york times as laundered through the new york times so now wait where's the hope now look at the media now cnn msmc we just had a conversation 10 minutes ago about how they're becoming irrelevant who cares right they went from the gods of the universe right getting to set the narrative and you want an iraq war we're going to give you an iraq war right you want subsidies we're giving you subsidies you want to end negotiating prices we're going to end negotiation of prices and we're not going to say any no one's allowed to say that's anti-capitalist anti-free market no one's allowed to say anything outside of these tight rules how do you know that well i said things outside of those tight rules and they said you got to go right and they do that they did it to dylan radigan they did it to you they do it to everyone but now the podcasts have swarmed them yeah now we're larger than them so now that we're larger than them the dynamic has changed so the left and the right didn't abandon israel for good cause excellent cause they didn't abandon them for no reason they abandoned them because mainstream media does not dominate anymore if there were no online media nobody would have heard about any of the terrible things they did none of it none of it so here i'll give you one fact that's startling you know we can talk about the incredible amount of deaths and the children who died and they killed more journalists than the rest of the conflicts in the world come by hundreds of journalists over 250 journalists okay some of them assassinated including an american journalist oh i know this was pre not uh october 20 october 7th bashrin abuakle is an american journalist oh shot with scoped rifles at a distance wearing a press i don't even like journalists that much but that's like that's such an atrocity i can't believe it happened yeah they we know even the new york times and cnn was like yeah that's an assassination shot from hundreds of yards away sniper make sure to get him in the neck doesn't hit uh the vest it doesn't hit the helmet and kills him okay so jamal khashoggi uh when he was killed by the saudis that became an enormous story good good i don't want anybody chopped up that's a washington post columnist that was crazy and they got condemned and they should israel assassinates an american journalist like who cares wait did the person get arrested who shot her who gave the order have we asked for extradition of that person nothing and supposedly american commentators like celebrate rachel corey was some lefty girl gets run over by a bulldozer i don't know that i agree with rachel corey on much but she's an american i think from like pennsylvania yeah she's a girl and she gets killed and ben ben shapiro's like well don't stand in front of bulldozers it's like i don't know that's your fellow american like don't you care that a foreign country murdered an american no it's her fault one of the guys who was delivering food got killed oh yeah jacob flickinger if i'm not mistaken again look up his name but uh no consequences no one arrested no one goes to jail but but you murdered him you murdered an american you murdered nine americans shouldn't there be consequences but these days now the the ultimate fact i was going to get to is so they uh how do you tell if a group is a terrorist organization they target civilians how do you know they target civilians because they have a very high civilian kill ratio so for example hamas on october 7th they killed civilians and military they killed hundreds of military guys but they killed more civilians 67 percent of the people they killed were civilians so terrorist group clear obvious that's terrorism that's terrorism okay in gaza israel's civilian kill kill ratio is 83 percent it is worse than hamas in fact it is worse than any terrorist organization in the world 83 percent and at scale tens of thousands potentially hundreds of thousands of people killed 83 percent civilians they say no you have to apply that label unevenly and unfairly you only apply it to our enemies but if we do worse than them you are not to ever say it and that figure by the way comes from the israeli press the israeli press is way better than the american press i've noticed yeah you know why because they can't call them anti-semites right it's totally right right so they can't end the career of anyone who criticizes israel because they're all israelis right but here in america if you report the same thing you're going to be called an anti-semite and they're going to try to get you fired shut you up and ruin your life yeah so that is why i'm not playing along sorry exactly but that's my point about hope no one on tv has ever said what the israeli press has reported that israel has an 83 percent civilian kill ratio in idf is basically a terrorist organization and they have killed 70 times the number of people hamas has killed and they've killed more civilians as a percentage but we're forced to fund that terrorist organization but no one on tv will ever tell you that because if they do they know that they are risking getting fired and so i talked to ryan grim from drop site news about this just a couple of days ago on our show we do young turks from 6 to 8 pm eastern every day on youtube then at 8 pm we're doing a show called revolution okay peaceful non-violent political revolution so you must take power away from them if you don't take power away from the lobbies then you're forever going to be their servants right now you could do that in dumb ways like violence but that's not going to work and it's immoral or you could do that through the way that our founding fathers designed through democracy right take their power away at the voting booth primaries are golden go do primaries and and that's why mainstream media hates us so but ryan's on and i go hey ryan you guys have done these brilliant stories connecting abstinence to intelligence there's no question about it has anyone followed up for mainstream media new york times etc he's like no no no no not at all and he said look we're going through a cache of emails that are actually public they can actually beat us to the scoop and i tell our competitors beat us to the scoop and they won't do it they won't do it so then we got into a conversation why won't they do it he said look there's no i totally agree there's no grand conspiracy there's no memos written but every reporter in dc knows that if you do a story on israel even if it's a hundred percent factual you're risking your career you want your kids to get into college as james carville said that's exactly right well you found out you want your kids get into high school no can't get into high school now that happened to you yeah i've seen very similar things and so yeah that's intolerable i you know i have a pretty high tolerance for you know a corrupt ruling class i think every ruling class is corrupt to some extent but i have zero tolerance for humiliation unnecessary humiliation and for cruelty to people's families zero tolerance just never accept that and uh that's what's happening now and cruelty to the families is really and you shouldn't be surprised look what look what they're murdering all these kids in gaza you think they you know have different attitudes not american attitudes at all so the naivete is something we were also taught by mainstream media right oh the what the government says is true and if you disagree with what the government says you're a conspiracy theorist wait a that presupposes that the government never lies not just the u.s government no government ever lies israel never lies turkey never lies nobody ever lies okay that has not been my experience okay nor mine right number two they say um if you say the government is lying you're a wacko you're crazy yeah you're immoral and you should be banned from media you should be canceled right so that way there's no voices to oppose the government inside of media and press and journal but as they oppress the population so like you go i've been a million monarchies in my life and some of them are well-run and others are not but in the well-run ones you can say well there's no freedom you cannot let it criticize the king okay but which i'm opposed to i'm american i'm a totally different frame however if the country's well-run and the people are prosperous and happy and they're think that their children have better lives than they do at least you could say well they're doing a good job for the people here but if you run a government that systematically oppresses the people so thoroughly that their life expectancy drops and then you say you're not allowed to say a word about my leadership that can't stand like that doesn't have a long lifespan that's too much like nobody can can handle that right and that's where we are oh i know and so that's why now when the podcasters and it's not just you and me right you got tim dylan and theo vaughn and everyone is now speaking up and saying no enough uh so no moss no moss and so i noticed the americans they killed i noticed the 20 000 kids they killed i noticed all the civilians they killed and i noticed the the the congress that they bought and i noticed that the media is in their pockets i you know the congress is obvious they literally get paid to support israel uh let alone whatever you know other interesting you know material they might have from epstein or whoever else right uh and um and now i see the media so now i see this is an awesome development tucker not just saying hey i'm done with israel or i'm done with money and politics and that's my number one issue israel is just a symbol money and politics is the cancer that's that's why we lost our democracy that's why we lost control of our government because they're just working for the people bribing them it's super obvious that israel is a symptom it's not the cause of all this stuff exactly so but on top layered on top of all that the thing that gives me the greatest hope is that people are beginning to see the illusion oh they're getting us to fight one another okay what are the culture wars what is identity politics so as a lot of the left was doing identity politics we're a lone voice the young turks very much in favor of bernie very as left as it gets in the biggest show on the left for a long long time right but we're saying don't do identity politics okay why because identity politics splits us apart exactly okay so now you've you've got to get past that and people are beginning to get and it creates conflicts that can't be resolved like you and i are mad at each other our kids are mad at each other our grandkids are mad at each other like these are not fixable problems if you have tribal conflict it can endure for centuries or longer can i say one thing i think is super important is that you can't allow people to force you to lie ever and you will lie you know uh inevitably and you will say things that are wrong unintentionally i've done both but allowing somebody to force you to say something you know is not true it destroys you as a person and i look at i mean i could name many people but mike huckabee i've known for over 30 years almost 35 years because i worked in arkansas at the newspaper and he's a completely different person completely that's a broken man and i say that with heartfelt compassion that's a guy who's allowed other people to steal his integrity and force him to lie and you become a husk and no man can live like that it's like it's it's a 1984 winston smith thing like once you say two plus two equals five you're broken inside like don't allow people to force you to lie and just need to say that yeah gaslighting is almost a uh industrial version of torture like it is it's totally is it's your dignity from you yeah so on the left you got fetterman and richie torres that are like that on the right you got huckabee and lizzie graham and ted cruz and notice huh they told us to fight each other but they seem to agree an awful lot when these are not happy people either they paid a huge cost like so they all think they're getting something out of this and whatever they think they're they're getting i can't even imagine but or they're afraid of threats or whatever but in the end they lose when you allow other people to treat you like a slave and to repeat their lies you are destroyed and you have to live with that for the rest of your life don't ever take that deal tucker let me give you one more analogy that clarifies that yes so it's like a a movie where they tell you uh hey you know what your your wife came in uh with this baby that she found and it's a victim and you guys are going to adopt it and she's so golden-hearted and she brought the kid home and you go okay great let me see the kid and a guy walks in and goes here first i gotta give you some glasses okay and he gives you glasses and you put them on and you oh my god what a cute kid i have no idea where this analogy is going but i love it okay yeah i'm totally wrapped up in okay yeah so and you and your wife is nursing the kid and feeding it etc and then one day you go i wonder what things look like without the glasses and the guy who gave you the glasses goes no no no don't take the glasses off don't take the glasses off now you're like wait a minute i really want to take the glasses yeah right and you take the glasses off and you find out the glasses were the illusion it's not a baby it's a grown man oh and he's been inside your house the whole time chewing on your wife cuddling with your wife taking your money he's got like a almost a half shirt on big belly you know hairy guy he's sitting on your couch with your wife suckling suckling it turns out the glasses were the thing that made you see it wrong it made it seem like it was an innocent victim a little baby you were taking care of now you find out you got a grown man inside your house pawn on your wife and draining your checking account now the question is who are you most mad at okay i'm the least mad at the guy first though the first action i'm going to take even though i'm least mad at him is you got a leaf you got to leave the house right now otherwise something terrible is the man child yes who's second on your wife okay yeah i totally agree with that okay first step is get the out of my house okay second guy i'm mad at is the guy who gave me the glasses what the you made it seem like it was an innocent victim and i was being a good guy by helping this entity okay and now i find out no it was just someone taking advantage of me yes and taking the person who was supposed to be closest to me that was supposed to have trust with me yes and taking all my money and you played me for a fool i fucking hate the guy with the glasses right but the person i'm most upset is the betrayer is the betrayer the wife in that case it's an uncomfortable analogy you could switch it to husband and wife that's not the point the point is yes if you don't get it by now whether it's israel or any really lobby any donor class that's the baby the guy with the glasses is the media saying oh no these poor little oil companies they need your money look at it it's a victim otherwise they can't drill for oil these drug companies they've only made trillions you can't let them negotiate prices right or it's israel oh it's an innocent victim of all the nasty muslims and terrorists around them and then you look at the map wait a minute israel has gained all this territory and they've done it by taking 300 billion from us but most importantly the wife is the politicians yes and they're supposed to represent us and they have betrayed us okay and i can't stand it i can't stand it it's time for a divorce it's time for a divorce so everyone's got to get out of the house first the hairy guy you got to go okay otherwise we're going to have trouble then the guy with the glasses and then finally the wife everybody's got to go we're going to get a fresh new start operation consequences.com okay i can't i literally could do this interview for 10 hours and never improve on that analogy so i want to end with that that was amazing oh that was uh i'll wake up thinking about that in a cold sweat thank you thank you that was amazing thank you dougar i appreciate it